I started to write about renting months ago. It was during another bout of school holidays and we had gone to stay with my sister for a few days.
We tried to use it as a mini holiday; we had different surrounding, a loving sister who made us dinner, and who didn’t allow us to wash up.
There was plenty of space for the girls to run around outside and make as much noise as they wanted.
I recently remembered that I had started to write this. It wasn’t published at the time as it didn’t feel that I finished. I think it was missing an ending, or a new chapter may be a better phrase. Perhaps it’s still not really finished now but I feel different than I did a year or so ago and can see things differently.
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We are stuck. Stuck in a place that we can’t hang a picture of the kids without getting permission. We’re stuck paying rent and not being able to save as we don’t have enough left at the end of the month. Stuck not quite being able to plan for the future as things could change with a few months’ notice.
Renting
We’ve always lived in rented accommodation and are pretty used to it.
We have learnt many things while renting. Like being able to tip toe half asleep when we’ve had very grumpy and abusive neighbours in a downstairs flat who didn’t like us going to the toilet at night.
We are great at not touching walls to leave grubby marks on paint work. Plus we’ve become pros at cleaning the minutest bit of dirt out of the carpet so we don’t lose out on our deposit when it comes to having to move again.
It’s not our home but it’s where we live.
No matter how much we try to make it our own, we are always so self conscious about making a mess or doing something wrong. I just don’t want to give a landlord any reason to stop the tenancy or lose the deposit when we move.
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What I don’t like is the moving itself. In the last six years we have moved a total of seven times, but have felt more settled recently as we’ve been living in the same place for about 12 months.
It got to the point after the third move that we just stopped unpacking our stuff, leaving it in boxes. What was the point in getting it out when it’d have to go away again in six months?
Looking back at pricing
In 2009, our rent was just £400 per month for a two bedroom flat. It was quite big and was kept well. After Naomi was made redundant, we decided to move to be closer to family and (looking back now it was a real risk) moved to a smaller two bedroom flat. Our rent went up though.
Then move after move happened to another two bed flat, then a three bed house, then a two bed flat, then a house share, then onto another flat.
Our rent is now £1,100 for a three bed terraced house. However, our neighbours are friendly, we feel safe and secure, and our landlords come back to us quickly is there are any issues (which there haven’t really been any).
The rent increases over the last few years have really taken a hit on us. Rent has grown quicker than wages without question, and all the other bills have gone up too.
What has really made me worry every time it comes to us having to move is the costs associated with it.
We are on a waiting list with the council to bid on housing association properties (but we have been for over three years now and are still not getting our bids in the top 20 so we can probably write that off as an option). This means we need to either look to private rentals or estate agents.
Move after move
One of the last times we moved we had really short notice as they house we were staying in sold quite quickly.
We were looking just in case but prices were high and we now had just three weeks left to move out.
At that time, we did go to the council to seek advice and were told to apply via the housing register (which got us nowhere) or wait until we were homeless and they would put us in emergency accommodation.
We were pleased for the bit of help they could give (although it would only come when we were going to be homeless) but it didn’t seem enough really.
Further panic set in as we found that the emergency housing would probably in south London. Please don’t think we have a problem with south London; the problem was that work and schools and everyone we knew were in west Kent.
If we moved, we could not afford to get to work and may risk losing our jobs. We definitely couldn’t expect the kids to do the trip every day from school.
Our lives would have to come to a stop and we be in a considerable worse off state. It was really upsetting so we tried to sort it all out ourselves.
We ended up finding a property through a private landlord. The house seemed OK. It was in a good area, the guy seemed pretty decent and the amount he was asking was reasonable. We were chuffed as we had really started to panic about what we were going to do otherwise.
Back at home, we started to pack up our stuff (again) and told family that we were OK, again.
Not as it seemed
Then about five days later we got a text message – a text message – telling us that the move was off, which left us just over two weeks to find somewhere. We were devastated. The last few weeks had been wasted.
We were angry and I nearly called him to tell him how angry I was (and not in a good way) but what was the point?
He probably wouldn’t answer and if he had made up his mind then my talking or shouting at him wasn’t going to make a difference. In fact it would only make things worse, and make me feel bad for being horrible too.
This led us to the only option we had left and that was renting through an estate agent.
We had already been looking and most of them were odd!
Renting through an estate agent
This one place we went in looked great from the pictures and was an amazing price considering. It was a different story when we got there.
There was paint peeling off the side of the house and it almost looked mouldy. Inside we found that the three bed house had been lived in by a family of 12 people; one room had a bunk and a double bed, two other rooms had three single beds and the living room was another bedroom.
The landlord had known about it and didn’t seem to think it was an issue! Maybe it’s just me who think it’s was overcrowded and not suitable?!
The estate agent has advised me that the occupants had found a new place and were moving out. I’m really not surprised.
It wasn’t good
The place was a mess. The walls were grubby, the floor was filthy and mould was growing from the windows. I don’t necessarily think it was the family who made the place a mess. It must have been hard to keep it immaculate with so many people living there but this was deep grime.
The estate agent assured us that decorators were due to “spruce” the place up when the current family moved out but I didn’t believe it.
We got out of the house and Naomi burst into tears! I was mortified. Is this the only type of place that we could afford?
It was so depressing to think that this was the only way this family could live. If we didn’t take this house then someone else would how may be in the same situation as us.
We gave house/flat hunting a rest that night, not sure what our next steps would be.
Looking the next day and we weren’t surprised that the property we looked at the day before had dropped off the site. The estate agent must have realised it was inhabitable.
Continuing to look
I told these home hunting companies what we were looking for – either a two bed, which has doubles as the girls will be sharing, or a three bedroom place. You wouldn’t think it was too complicated a description.
So then the call came for us to look around another two bedroom flat. Again, the price was good and we were told a family were living there currently.
It wasn’t what we expected – it was a one bedroom flat! In the bedroom the kids shared a room and the living room doubled as a bedroom – all for £700 per month.
I don’t think it’s that I want too much in life, or I think I have too high standards. Is it too much to think that people should be able to live in a decent place, with enough space to live, eat and sleep, without breaking their back to afford it? I was obviously naive.
We had been looking constantly and nothing had come up so we had no choice but to increase the price band that were searching in.
This did give us about eight more properties to look at and they were better, but we didn’t know how were going to afford them? Maybe we should have just stuck with the one bedroom place?
Bingo
After checking three more places we visited the flat and it was amazing the difference. It was clean and there was enough room for all of us.
Nothing else about the place sunk in as I then asked the estate agency a million and one questions about when we could move and talked about our (lack of) credit rating.
The place came with fees:
- an admin fee for essentially copy and pasting our names into a contract and printing it twice (think that was about £60!)
- then the credit check (£60 each plus another for our guarantor)
- there was a fee for them doing an inventory the day before we moved in (just £30)
To be honest, I thought that was cheap vs what other agencies charge.
Plus 6 weeks of rent up front as a deposit, and the first month’s rent was due the day we moved in. Oh, and the cost of a man and a van to move all our stuff!
Just think, if we were moving every six months at one point, we had to pay this twice a year.
We found the money from selling loads of stuff and borrowing money from a few family members (thank you, you know who you are xx)
Somewhere new to call home
We lived in the same place for nearly two years. Our landlords were very friendly, even wishing us congratulations on our wedding day. They are just nice people who care for the well-being of others and if we’ve had any issues they have resolved them really quickly.
However, we only had two months’ notice if we had to move out. That time frame weighed on our minds quite often, it was usually something we discussed once a week. We worried that we will get a call to discuss a move date all the time.
I suppose the best way to relieve any worry is to just ask. I’m sure they’d let us know how long they are happy for us to stay, but I was concerned that if I ask they will only make my fears get worse.
I was on edge about our housing situation. There was no reason why, other than we had lived in the same place for longer than a year. Things had started to feel comfortable and we were relaxed in the place we were living.
Fears were realised
We were served notice to move. Two months. They were selling up. No fault of our own, they just no longer wanted to own the flat that we called home.
The panic set in again.
Flat hunting started all over; luckily we kept the majority of the boxes (although black bin liners are much easier to pack and unpack).
This time, having been running Skint Dad for a while, I had the opportunity to share my loss with readers and support came flooding. So thank you for your words of wisdom back then, they really helped.
We had to find somewhere within two months. I mean that sounds easy enough and there’s plenty of time really but not when you’re skint. It’s not when you have adverse credit history that follows you round and people can’t look you in the eye.
There is a real stigma about money in this country. Sure, people seem fine to talk about what happens in the bedroom, but if there’s a question about what someone earns or whether there is consumer debt, things go quiet.
House hunting again
We made appointments. Appointments, after appointments.
The first place we saw was perfect. Just one road over from where we were (Skint Mum was already planning to move all our stuff by hand!) but the letting agent was – well – rude and snooty. That’s really the best way to describe it.
We were clear about income (which could cover the costs), our back story and what we were doing/had done to change our lives. I mean it’s quite a positive upbeat journey when you look at how far we’d come. She just turned her nose up.
Not being put off, I called back the next day. I wanted to add how we would be really suitable and the landlord would have no trouble as we’d got references showing how we’ve paid our rent in full and on time for years.
Without saying much more, the agent made it clear that she wouldn’t even tell the landlord about us as there would be plenty of other people looking soon. So no more viewings yet but other people soon.
Discrimination
It was a smack of discrimination. Yes, there are nine protected characteristics when it comes to discrimination. Most of them are over the news often enough; gender, race, disability….but one that doesn’t get a shoe in is money.
If you’re skint then you get pushed down. I had really experienced it at this point. Made to feel worthless as we had little. Having a low socio-economic background had made me encounter discrimination and it was brutal.
I think that if we ever come into a massive wad of cash and can buy a place outright, we’d walk into that estate agent and pull a Julia Roberts from Pretty Woman!
Skint Dad: You people work on commission, right?
Snooty estate agent: Yeah.
Skint Dad: Big mistake. Big. Huge. I have to go shopping now.
Thinking about it makes me feel better. Although I’d probably wear trousers in the scene and not a dress…
More house hunting
The next place we saw was lovely. Bright, breezy, it would be fine. Perhaps a bit small but close to schools, close to a main line station and we could get by with the cost. So we started to explain our situation.
The agent recognised me! He was somewhat of a follower and had been reading about what was going on with our renting situation. It’s always odd to be spotted in real life but I thought this may help things.
While he knew my backstory, he had to “sell” us to the landlord. I felt that things could be on our side, other than the landlord went with another couple who had no debt and were “easier” to deal with. Karma comes around as I heard that the couple pulled out after a few weeks, leaving the landlord hunting again.
Let down after let down
Then the next place didn’t want kids, or did the next place. The next had mould up the living room wall and a second bedroom too small to fit a bunk bed for the girls.
Next up, the place we saw would have been great. We ended up visiting twice as we started to get our hopes up but the letting agent never called us back. We rang twice a day and left messages. I suppose I should have got the hint but, wanting somewhere to live with my family, I wouldn’t give up.
Finally, and perhaps worth being turned down so many times, we found somewhere. Having a chance to meet the landlord seemed to make a difference and they didn’t seem to mind about our colourful past when it comes to money.
Credit checks (although very bad) were accepted, money transferred and now we’ve been here over a year. Now and again that dreaded feeling does start to come over us but I think it will be better this time – touch wood!!
The place feels like home. We’ve actually unpacked, are making more of an effort with our community and the girls are getting involved with things going on around us.
Settled for now
There are so many worries about housing; being able to afford something decent for my family that will be secure and hopefully near to school so we can continue to walk in every day. If we have to go further, then by all means we would, but we still don’t have a car and it’s not something we can to add to our budget.
We always need to make sure we have money ready, just in case.
I also worry as the prices have all seemed to have gone up again. We negotiated the costs on our current place down quite a bit so we could probably do it again but I worry that they won’t. I seem to be worrying a lot.
The current places on the rental market are all very small. A two bedroom place isn’t much cheaper than we have now.
I am still concerned about our credit score. We will both have a low score and will need to see if one of our family will guarantor for us but, even still, any landlord may not even agree to take us.
At the same time, my worry is planning ahead for an event that may not happen, but I would prefer to be one step ahead and plan a little.
Renting is a game
This is just my story and I’m definitely not the only one who rents, who worries, or who has had issues – and I’m sure what we’ve been through is tame compared to what others have been through!
The council could never help us. They’ve always explained everything politely and we were clear with how we could be helped, but everything was last minute help when we were in crisis. Nothing could be done for us immediately.
Thing is, they may see others who say they are in the same situation, or play the system and become blinded to everyone, but is that fair to those who really need to use their services?
Shall we just up sticks?
A survey I’ve seen from SpareRoom has shown that 97% of renters think the government isn’t doing enough to make housing affordable and I agree with the panel! I wholeheartedly agree!
I know mortgages are high but my rent is extortionate. Looking at other parts of the country, housing costs are a third of the cost per month vs the south. Then cross checking job boards, the average pay is the same as where we live now.
Just look at this place. This costs about the same as where we live now, but it’s in a different part of the country. It’s like a mansion! Complete with 6 bedrooms, sun room, games room (including pool table!), fitness room and sauna room.
It makes us question if we should just up and leave.
Don’t get me wrong. We are privileged enough to afford to live, it’s just there is nothing left over.
I know people are in a worse position than me. I truly feel for them. It’s not just me I want things to change for; it’s all of us struggling.
Will we ever get a mortgage?
As the days roll by, so does our chance to get a mortgage.
Housing prices are going up. No matter how much is saved, a few months later and the prices go up, meaning any type of deposit is not enough.
Then will they even let me have a mortgage? With a rubbish credit file (which will improve over time) I don’t look like that good an investment from a bank’s point of view.
Plus, there is my age. Sure I’m not old (although my kids say I am!) but there aren’t as many years left in me to work. Will a bank even consider lending to me if I’ll be able to draw a pension and still have a mortgage owing?
But the thing is, if a person would look at us, instead of a computer, an algorithm making a calculated decision, we may get a mortgage.
We would be in a position where we would pay and it would make would be cheaper than renting. We would actually be better off.
But instead, we struggle to afford anywhere.
Other options for owning
So maybe we won’t get a full mortgage. We can go for a part buy part let. Great hey?! Other than, with poor credit, it doesn’t leave us any different really.
Our local council doesn’t build many new properties locally so it will really mean leaving our current home town behind.
So thank you to the government for setting up all these schemes to help people who struggle to get on the housing ladder, but they’re not really helping me. If they are not helping me I’m sure there are others who are worse off who don’t give them the light of day either.
To be honest, I don’t have a clue what could be done?
Other than making property more affordable, putting a cap on rental fees and building more property for a start.
There must be something more original and innovative than that? Although if the government could just get started on a few housing improvements it would help!
Do I really want a mortgage?
I know many of you have told me that I must absolutely get a mortgage. It will give us a home and make sure I don’t throw away money to renting. Our mortgaged home is there so I have money for my retirement.
Not owning a house means that we can stay in our home town. I could never at this stage contemplate buying in Tunbridge Wells. There is no way we could afford to buy where we were were born, where our parents raised us or where we are raising our own children.
Being able to rent means that we can stay here.
Also, although there is the uncertainty of being served notice, it swings both ways. If something were to happen and a chance came our way to, say, more to the other side of the world, by renting it’s easy to up and move. Nothing is really tying us down.
I just want somewhere to live
Right now, we are safe. We are comfortable. Although our costs are high and we are spending more than half of our income on rent (!) we are accepting that because that’s what the prices are like in the south east.
In a short week of sharing with my sister all that time ago, I realised more and more about how precious it is having somewhere to call home – somewhere that is yours – somewhere you are comfortable.
I just want somewhere to live.
I want it to be safe. I want our children to be safe and to feel secure. I want the children to be raised not thinking there is an issue, for them to get grumpy when we have to start packing again.
I want them to have outside space; a garden. I’d like the option to have a family pet, without worrying that we’d have to get rid of it if a future landlord didn’t want one.
I want somewhere I can leave a few things I call my own, I want to stay put for a good amount of years, I want somewhere where memories are made and remembered in years to come.
Are those things too much to ask for?
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Zoe P says
OMG I hear you and feel you, I don’t have a family but have gone through similar situations and just hope you get the breakthrough you need in the end, don’t give up hope!
David Jack Taylor says
I hear you on the constant moving about Ricky. The whole reason I started to save for a mortgage deposit this year was I was asked to vacate another property as the landlord was selling up, the second one to do it to me inside 18 months. I got to my wits end after moving for the 16th time in 10 years. The crazy thing is, you can provide a perfect rental history without a single late or missed payment, yet they won’t take that into consideration for a mortgage when the mortgage cost would be half the rental cost. Why wouldn’t you pay a mortgage that was half the cost of your rent? It’s ludicrous! I’m on my way to getting the deposit, but I don’t have, or plan on having. any children. I can’t imagine how hard it is with kids in tow. Plus, the prices up here in the North are a lot more reasonable, although I will have to move further out from where I currently live in Altrincham, as the average house price around here is over £300k and I’m not willing to put myself in that much debt at 35!
Lynn James says
Brilliant post. Shared. xx
emmaloo says
Similar situation here, totally agree. Although we’re in Yorkshire it seems wages don’t quite match up to rental here too.
Lizzybea says
It seems that it would be so much fairer if they accounted for your rental history. I have never ever missed a rent payment and I rented for nearing on 7yrs. I live with my partner now (he owns our house) but me getting a mortgage is not likely. However If I could pay my rent at £650 p/m consistently then I can pay a mortgage of the same.
Valerie Thompson says
Hi -just read your post about renting and my heart goes out to you. I wish I could suggest some way to get out of the rental trap but the only way is really to buy a house which – obviously – is not possible right now. Though I always worked in low paid jobs I was lucky enough to get a mortgage in the days when you got 3 & half times your income loaned – though at an outrageous interest rate. I spent years living with manky carpet and 2nd hand furniture and a mattress on the floor. But at least it was mine. I don’t know how people buy these days if they don’t have parents with cash to give them. Good luck and best wishes Valerie x
fatveganchickslim says
Oh how much this post pulled on my hearts strings. Im here because I read moneysavingexpert.com and you were mentioned when I was investigating wombling of all things…
No its not too much to want safe place where you feel at home where you can close your door and feel a king of your castle however humble abode it may be. Its is normal, natural and everyone should be able to get there eventually.
I had made the journey without kids or severe financial burden. All I had to pay out was around 4000 GBP of debts before starting to save out for the deposit.
Many of my friends have kids and this requires enormous effort, time and finances apart from other prerequisites like heaps of understanding and lots of love :)
I dont know if anything below will be of any help but here it goes:
I bought a dilapidated place at a ripe old age of 34. Convinced the snotty horrid agent who balked at my offer that yes my offer is low and it is low for a reason..I listed all the jobs needing done versus the renovated flat value. And advised of a very recent leek from this flat that flooded a bit of the close…Than suggested that I am taking huge gamble and might loose money considering the repairs needing done. Cheeky I know but it worked. Haggling skills courtesy of teachings of certain M. Lewis :)
This is where compromise comes in.
Flat requires a ton of work all which me and my partner are doing majority of on our own. Both being DIY nerds we have skills and tools that most people dont have. I am able to do more than a family with kids can in this respect simply because I have time that I do not devote to lil offsprings.
I now work 9 to 5 though still do some overtime if i need it. In the past I used to do much more at NMW… Grateful these days are gone. I work, go to my flat, work on it, go to sleep, go to work..rinse repeat. Funnily enough I still manage to have friends and minuscule planned in advance social life.
Not sure if and how a family could pull above off. Things like seeing your kids and raising them are not worth missing out on for the sake of extra cash. I hope that like many Brits you do have a family who will be able to give a helping hand to supplement your own efforts.
As you guys write a finance focused blog I am sure that you have looked long and hard at your finances and it may look a bit bleak. Whatever you do please do not give up. If you have a dream of buying a place – persist. I know someone who is nearly 50 and still managed to get a mortgage. I know single lady of similar age who still managed to get her first flat – maybe not in exactly where she wanted but its hers and she loves it.
I sincerely wish that you and your family will get a place where you feel safe, secure and stable, the 4 walls you can call and think of as home regardless of how it will come to you.
Ricky Willis says
Absolutely agree. Soon credit referencing agencies will add rent payments to files (but I think this is only for housing associations at the moment). However, this will help some people show they have affordability to get on the housing ladder.
uriah22 says
The housing market in the UK is sick and nasty. It used to be that renting was OK. There were long leases and security of tenure was the norm.
When a property was rented out for the first time it was usual for a lease to be a number of YEARS. A short lease might be one or two years, but there were much longer leases too. You could negotiate any length with a landlord.
You could also take over an existing long lease from some tenant wanting to move and that lease could have any amount of time left on it from a few months to a number of years. So you could do things like get a lease which might originally have been for ten years at a rent that was ordinary & reasonable when the lease started and which would not ever change, but which effectively had become cheaper & cheaper since the start of the lease as inflation took effect. And there might be four or five years left on it with a built in right to renew the lease again when the original term was completed. I saw four bedroom flats for as little as five pounds rent a week in Central London in the early 1970’s – about a quarter of an ordinary weekly wage !!!
When I was about 21 years old in 1969 & looking for a several bedroomed house or flat in central London to share with other twenty somethings I was offered a fully furnished five bedroomed four or five storey ex- manual worker’s cottage in a cul-de-sac ( Bywater Street) leading from the Kings Road in Chelsea. It was just about the most fashionable & desire-able place to be in 1960’s & early 70’s London. And the lease had several years remaining.
The rent was twenty one pounds a week, which was just one pound a week less than I was then earning as an advertising salesman for a newspaper ! My salary level was the about the same as any secretary or any junior administrator, nothing special. It was what was then basically the minimum wage, and most labouring type manual workers actually generally earned quite a bit more.
So none of that modern corrupt garbage today about the ‘minimum wage’ we have now have which is actually just a mean minded way of deliberately keeping all wages low. I think the only people in those days earning the equivalent of what is now the called the ‘minimum wage’ or that weasel phrase ‘living wage’ were thirteen to fifteen year old teenagers happily doing part time jobs for peanut wages. I drove a tractor on a farm at fourteen, picked mushrooms and was a part time washer upper at a restaurant at fifteen. I would not have done any of those jobs for less than what is now laughingly called the ‘living wage’. Make no mistake – wages have plummeted downwards over the years since then.
I found the Bywater Street in Chelsea property via an estate agent. There was no stupid, arrogant snottiness from estate agents in those days. They just wanted to rent out property & assumed (rightly) that any person coming to them only did so because a) they wanted to rent a property and b) they had the money to rent a property, otherwise they would not be wasting their time going to an estate agent in the first place unless they were a nutcase of some sort.
It didn’t matter that I was only a whippersnapper of 21 years old. I had a job, had an income and that’s all the estate agent wanted to know. He would assume I could afford it and they never asked for any other details of my finances or did credit checks. Credit checks didn’t even exist then as it was only the banks who set up the entire evil credit checking industry years later. Yes, the banks got together to set up all those nasty credit scoring companies that now destroy people’s lives with what can only be termed pure Orwellian wickedness.
When I went to work in South Africa in my mid twenties I rented a large four bedroom house in 1974 which also had a two bedroom ‘cottage’ and a swimming pool in the four acre garden. The rent was pretty much exactly the same as my monthly salary at a very ordinary not particularly well paid job. But as there were five of us sharing the whole place it meant we were each paying only about a fifth of our monthly salaries.
That is a fraction of what renters now have to pay in the UK where rent often takes more than 50% of a person’s income, thanks to the sheer greed of landlords (and banks). Again, no problems with ignorant, greedy Estate Agents ripping you off. They just used to get on with their job of showing the property and introducing you to the landlord etc.
Although this South African house sounds vaguely ‘grand’ it was just a pretty standard and ordinary type of house there. It had the extra land because it was a tiny small holding which had been a chicken farm and had been way beyond the edge of town when the house had been built years before. Africa has space; land there used to be very, very cheap & still is by UK standards.
I also asked the landlord in South Africa for an ‘option’ to buy the property in the future if I wanted at a fixed price agreed in advance and the length of the lease was several years with sensible built in options to allow me to leave at any time without penalties and the landlord was only allowed to take the house back under the most extreme of circumstances unless I agreed.
Ricky Willis says
Thanks for sharing your experiences. It’s really interesting to hear how things used to be very different.